Inside the Pearl is Jude Neale’s account of her stay at the Joy Kogawa House
through haiku-inspired poems and accompanying photographs, taken by Paul
Hooson. This unique and intimate collection gives us a glimpse into the
childhood home of Canadian author Joy Kogawa, now a literary landmark and venue
for the Writer-in-Residence program; and a sweeping portrait of the difficult
Japanese Canadian history that still resonates today. In this interview, we discuss
poetry’s role in shaping history, life at the Joy Kogawa House, a typical
writing day, and new projects.
Anna van
Valkenburg: Inside the Pearl is a beautiful tribute to the Joy
Kogawa House, and to Canadian history. How did you get the idea for this
project?
Jude Neale: A good question. I had done a couple of launches
there and loved the intimate atmosphere. It was a place where time had stopped.
At my last reading there, Kevin Spenst was writer in residence and I got very
curious about staying in this living, breathing house. During the Pandemic I
too was given the chance to live there. Months before I went I knew what I
wanted to do—document the house and its contents with poems and take pictures
of everything. I had even named it Inside the Pearl. The house had a
presence, a light I wanted to capture. And I so wanted to do it for Joy Kogawa.
AV: The poems in this book are of course descriptive,
but there’s much more there. Each poem has a
deeper historical and/or emotional connection. Why did you choose a
haiku-inspired form for this book?
JN: Looking
back I know it was plain ignorance. I thought haiku was a Japanese form that
would suit the project. I found out after my first draft that the nearly sixty
poems were not haiku. 5/7/5 wasn’t going to get me anywhere, so within
six months of research nationally and internationally, I think I finally had an
inkling about what a haiku might be. That is why I call them haiku inspired—a gesture, a glimpse.
AV: What is the role of poetry in shaping
history (does it have one)?
Poetry has shaped history from Homer to Ferlinghetti.
I believe as poets, history makes up our poems both quiet and loud. In my book,
the Canadian Japanese internment during and after the Second World War is
subtly woven throughout.
AV: In the preface you mention that Joy Kogawa creates
a “bridge to truth for all peoples”
through her writing. Can you elaborate?
How does this connect to your mission for writing this book?
JN: Joy Kogawa took on the establishment
and quietly determined to seek justice for all Japanese Canadians interned in
the Second World War. In her 1981 book, Obasan, she writes of her experience of being in the Slocan, through a child’s eyes. This single book was a revelation to many
like myself. It was so lovingly written, it impacted me greatly. Gentleness,
love and light shone in that book. Joy was not embittered but empowered to
demand justice despite the huge Canadian complacency. This is what I hope to
bring to the world too. Light and beauty and truth.
AV: Since this is truly a book about the Joy Kogawa
House: 1) what was your favourite part about (or of) the house? 2) Which poem from
the book is your favourite? 3) Which photograph?
JN: I slept in little Joy’s bedroom on
a small bed just so I could see the sun move across the room like when she was
little. To look up at the ceiling and realize she had gazed there too or listen
to the even breathing of my husband in the other room just as she had listened
to her parents. It was magical!
My favourite poem is:
swoops of laughter
pour over quiet voices
bell song fills corners
And my favourite photograph is of a pitcher and a washbasin.
Paul Hooson gave it an Old Master’s look, with the hue of wood and the
white gleam of the pitcher.
AV: What did a typical writing day at Joy
Kogawa House look like?
JN: That’s funny to think of now. It was the
week after the first pandemic lock down was over. We were jubilant! So I got
out of bed and drank four cups of tea before I started to scrutinize a room for
objects to write about. Every two hours I’d have another pot of tea. Then
write, look at photos until about 8 pm. Then we would go to all the empty
restaurants for dinner. A very fine life indeed!
AV: What are you currently working on?
JN: I completed my eleventh book, The
Flaw, this spring and am almost finished my twelfth, an art and poetry
collaboration as yet untitled.
Jude Neale is a Canadian
poet of national and international acclaim. She has penned ten books, and
several libretti that have also been published and performed. One of her poems
was chosen to ride the Channel Island buses by the Poet Laureate of Britain.
Jude has extensive expertise in multi-disciplinary collaboration.
Anna van Valkenburg
is the author of Queen and Carcass (Anvil Press, A Feed Dog Book...
2020) and the associate publisher at Guernica Editions. Her poetry and reviews
have been featured in The Puritan, Prism International, december
magazine, The Rusty Toque, and elsewhere. She was born in Konin,
Poland, and currently lives in Mississauga.