Hajer Mirwali is
a Palestinian and Iraqi writer living in Toronto. Her first book, Revolutions (Talonbooks,
2025), is a collection of poetry on shame, pleasure, and Arab Muslim girlhood.
Two poems from the collection also appear in an anthology of Palestinian poetry
called Heaven Looks Like Us (Haymarket Books, 2025). Hajer’s
work has been published in The Ex-Puritan, Brick Magazine, Room
Magazine, and Joyland.
Hajer Mirwali reads in Ottawa alongside Paul Vermeersch and Jérôme Melançon onFriday, March 27, 2026 as part of VERSeFest 2026.
Revolutions is described as
being about shame and pleasure, and how they intersect. In particular, I
resonated with the instances of hiding and deflecting, and how that’s held in
fraught tension with the relationships we hold dear. How does putting the book
out to a public audience respond, in a meta-textual way, to this hiding?
I’ll
admit, I hadn’t thought enough about what would happen once the work became
public. When I was writing it, I was so focused on remaining “true” to my
experience at the time, I hadn’t really thought about future Hajer reading the
poems in front of an audience. Of course, I had considered certain levels of
censorship and protection. It’s why I introduced the character “xxxxxxx”. When
writing the book, I had recorded conversations with young women in my community
about shame and pleasure. Their identities are all concealed, they all appear
as xxxxxxx to both keep them anonymous and to portray the collectivity of their
stories. Beyond that, I didn’t really consider concealing myself. I think the
book very obviously reads as auto-biographical (I even use my own name at one point).
It definitely has been exposing and vulnerable having the book out in public
and doing events. The most difficult part is perhaps the reception by my mom.
But I think it helped us have good conversations and a better understanding of
each other. Overall, I think she is supportive of me as a writer. She was
interviewed for the book as well, so she is deeply embedded in it.
I
do love though that the publication of the book does what I could not do while
writing it, which is to explode the system of shame of suppression, to get out
of the circle. I’m writing about being trapped, and in writing, I escape the
trap. I did an event last summer for the Cross-Pollination series by the League
of Canadian Poets (in which they pair a poet with a health care worker) with my
cousin, the psychotherapist Zainib Abdullah and she talked about how the
antidote to shame is courage. I think it was courageous of me to write and
publish this book, to expose myself in this way. It helped me heal and work
through a lot of the shame I felt growing up. It’s especially fulfilling when I
do a reading and a woman comes up to me after and says, I had the same
experiences. I can’t believe you’re writing so openly about sex and
masturbating. How are you doing it? I think I just had to do it. I had to
get these things out and share them. None of us should carry all our shame
alone. The more we share with each other, the lighter the load we each have to
carry.
That
being said, I am definitely thinking about how to better protect myself with my
next book, which will be a thematic sequel to Revolutions and a deeper
exploration of shame that gets more into childhood trauma. How do I create a
bit more distance between myself as the subject and as the poet? I am now
considering future Hajer who will read those poems in front of an audience and may
have to reveal certain things that happened to her. I’m considering ways in
which I can write about my life without writing in first-person. I want to
remove the “I” completely.
I’m
curious about your extended conversation with Mona Hatoum’s work, especially
given a photograph of the piece appears in the book! Had you expected that
outcome when putting the manuscript together?
When
I first wrote Revolutions in 2019 for my MFA thesis, I got in contact
with Mona Hatoum’s studio and told them what I was working on. Later, when I
was working with my publisher, Talonbooks, we contacted her studio again to get
permission to use a photo of + and –. They gave us permission for
the photo and said Hatoum was interested in receiving a copy of the book when
it came out, but I was never in contact with her directly. Maybe one day – you
never know!
One
interesting thing that happened is in the original manuscript, I had multiple
photos of the sculpture at different points in its revolution that didn’t make
it into the final book. I had taken the photos myself when I saw the piece in
Barcelona. They weren’t good quality and we couldn’t get Hatoum’s team to redo
them, so my copy editor, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and I thought of other ways to
represent the sculpture. We ended up with the “clock” concrete poems (“her hand
at one / her hand at seven”, etc.). They represent the two arms of + and – moving
around the sand, and they also capture the themes of time and waiting that run
throughout the book. It was a bit of a frustrating editorial issue that ended
up leading to creative problem solving that I think is stronger and adds
another layer of meaning that the original photos may not have been able to
convey.
The
“clock” concrete poems were one of many things I loved about the book. They
featured as a constant grounding in the poetry and the words. I began to look
forward to seeing how you were going to play with the word and page space. It’s
fascinating hearing that this form evolved after the fact. Were there other
aspects of the book that took form in the editorial process?
At
the line level, the final book is relatively similar to the original manuscript
I sent to Talon. I did however add two additional poems. The first was Ramadan
Record which I had written in 2019 and removed from the manuscript because
it didn’t seem to fit in cohesively with the rest of the book. Then I started
to miss it and through it might work well in terms of amplifying the theme of
time and providing another type of form in the middle of the book. I see it now
as a kind of hinge point.
The
second poem was Sift which is a new poem I wrote while working with my
substantive editor, Rahat Kurd. She and I talked about whether I was doing the
mother figure enough justice and thought it would make sense to have more of
her perspective, to soften and lend more empathy to her. With Sift being
the last poem in Revolutions, and written from the mother’s point of
view, I see it as an addendum or commentary on the rest of the book.
I
actually had to pull back a lot while editing to prevent myself from changing
the integrity of the book. I was editing it five years after I had written it,
so I had changed quite a bit as a person and as a poet. At the risk of
publishing certain poems that I may now find underdeveloped or cringey, I’m
glad I honoured Revolutions for what it is – a time capsule of what I
was dealing with at that time.
Could
you talk about incorporating the Arabic texting code into your poems?
The
first poem I wrote for the book, before I really knew it was going to be this
book, was 3aib, which means shame in Arabic. I had to use the word 3aib
without translating it because 3aib holds so much weight and context. It means
shame, but it doesn’t feel the same. Then I realized there is no other way to
write 3aib so I have to introduce the texting code.
I
should clarify here that I did not invent this code – it’s how Arabic-speaking
people write to each other when transliterating to English. The numbers
represent letters in Arabic with sounds that don’t exist in English. Some
words, like habibi (my love) can be written as habibi or 7abibi. The 7 is the
Arabic letter ح which is a hard h (kind
of like the sound you’d make when warming up your hands). H works well enough
but 7 is more accurate. But with the word 3aib, the 3 is the Arabic letter ع which is a guttural
throaty sound, and there’s nothing like it in English. Writing just aib or eib
would make no sense.
So
for the 3aib poem, I figured that if I had to use the texting code for
that word, why not use it for every transliterated word? I loved how the
numbers looked on the page, so weird and computational. It was accurate to the
language and also created a little secret between me and other Arabic-speaking
people who would read the book (though this wasn’t my main motivator). I
actually overuse the code to the point that it may even become complicated for
Arabic-speaking people to translate. But I think a secret code is a perfect
literary device for a book about secret lives and identities and hiding and
censorship. Also, numbers are just really cool.
I
loved your choice to include the code for all transliterated words! The numbers
in the code worked so well visually with the clock concrete poems. You’ve
mentioned your next book will be a thematic sequel to Revolutions. Do
you envision the book having the same level of visual and linguistic
experimentation, with the concreteness and the code?
Before
writing Revolutions, I was strictly a lyric poet and it was in working
with Margaret Christakos during my MFA that she introduced me to experimental feminist
poetry and I began playing in that tradition. I love both styles of poetry so
much and I think the next book while be somewhere in the middle. I know I want
to challenge my diction a lot (it’s a weak spot for me) and I definitely
imagine there will still be some visual experimentation. I’m writing and
thinking a lot now about deeply rooted shame and trauma and repressed memories,
so I am always asking myself what it means to write through the body. I don’t
think lyric poetry alone is enough to answer that question.
I’m
not sure what the shape will be exactly, but I do want to carry forward some of
the procedures I began with Revolutions, particularly the research work
of interviewing people. I love the idea of writing that’s created in community,
sharing language with the people around me. It helps me expand my view and my
vocabulary, and it also helps me feel less isolated while writing. I trust that
as I work on the next book, the poems will help tell me what form they need to
be in, and any experimental elements will come out organically.
Manahil
Bandukwala
is a writer and visual artist. She is the author of Heliotropia (Brick
Books 2024; winner of the Archibald Lampman Award, and shortlisted for the Pat
Lowther Award, the Raymond Souster Award, and the Ottawa Book Award) and MONUMENT
(Brick Books 2022; shortlisted for the Gerald Lampert Award). She has been
twice longlisted for the CBC Poetry Prize, and was selected as a Writer’s Trust
of Canada Rising Star in 2023. See her work at manahilbandukwala.com.