Dave: Maybe we can just
do this like Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. I think the secret sauce is that
we’ve known each other for a long time, our writing has been inspired by each
other’s entire back catalogue, and throughout Versefest, Two for One, Riverbed,
the Factory Reading Series, and we’ve been talking about jokes with increasing
intensity.
IAN: Yeah, when we're at
poetry events together, we're usually sitting somewhere at the back, joking and
riffing off of each other. So that's kind of how the chapbook came together –
we would send poems back and forth, writing and rewriting as we went, riffing
off each other's ideas.
Dave: I think play is an
important part of the project. Comedy writing is often done in small groups.
Some of my favourite moments are sitting together and cracking wise during
readings. We're old friends - who only really hang out at readings. It's
nice to have a thing. One of the things I think we have both experienced is
that poetry events can be...well...self-serious. The number of times I've
texted a friend "somebody throw a pie!" during a reading could single
space fill its own 30 page chapbook. Once we realized that this stand up
project was going to work, we immediately started thinking of ways to make it
fun for as many people as possible.
I think both of our
sections in the book walk the line between parody and pastiche and I think the
"stage show" really mirrors that.
IAN: I've always had a
serious, depressing streak in my writing, and there's definitely a place for
that. But humour makes the sad stuff go down a little easier. And people like
to laugh! It brings us together. The world is full of so much sadness but sometimes
it's so sad that it's kinda funny.
Our stage show came about
through riffing as well. Someone comes up with an idea, and you just keep
trying to escalate it until it's so ridiculous it shouldn't work, then you do
it anyways. We start our reading of the chapbook by copying a darts champion's
walk-on song, and we end with a Saturday Night Live outro. Then in the middle
we read a bunch of weird poetry and expect to be taken seriously. Riding that
line is fun, where the audience isn't sure what's a joke and what's not. The
higher the tension, the better the release.
Dave: Ok, that's a fair
point. There's nothing wrong with serious depressing readings. There's always
an undercurrent of that (?) in my work as well but I do think if you ask
people to leave their houses there should be some effort to add something to
make it feel worth it. For my money, Christine McNair is one of the best
readers around. She's not exactly Conan O'Brien but she creates a definite mood
– a container to hold the audience in stasis until the reading is done. A great
reading, a great set, holds you every second until it drops you in a cornfield
somewhere without your wallet, your house keys, your shoes, and with somebody
else's iguana to take care of.
I guess we should talk
about the poems. After we were going back and forth, I hadn't reread IAN's
poems until we were doing final edits and I laughed out loud so many times that
I couldn't believe how lucky I was to be collaborating with them. For me, IAN's
poems in This Guy Gets It transport me out of time and space. IAN does such a
good job of replicating the dark stage, hot spotlight feeling of a comedy club
while at the same time injecting that space with a whole world of characters,
structures, and philosophies. It's such a pleasure to have my poem's next to
theirs.
IAN: My poems may take
you out of time and space, but yours put me in every time and space at once.
Dave's very first poem immediately makes the link between comedy and
philosophy, this ceaseless need to observe and question and reframe things over
and over and over until you understand it all, or realize that you can't. His
poems draw from all these different sources, music, TV, mythology, history, and
mash them together in different configurations to try and make some sense out
of the bizarre, iterative project of humanity. Dave is so great at capturing
what it's like to live in the present, constantly haunted by everything that
came before, and dealing with the absurd amalgam of what has survived.
Also he's very
funny.
Dave: We like each
other. We also both really like the book. I'm very grateful to rob
mclennan for all his help. People seem to like the book (and the roadshow)
too.
I don't want to make a
big thing about this but I saw a lit mag this week say "Don't send
humour." Which is in itself very funny. We're seriously starting to put
together an expanded full length manuscript. We both talk a lot about how
frustrating it is to send our full length M.S.s out and to not find them a
home.
This project feels
special, though. It feels like it might be a place to start. We're adding a
bunch of new poems – we're co-writing more. In This Guy Gets It, the last poem
is co-written and I honestly think it might be the funniest poem in the
chapbook. We wrote it knowing the shape of the rest of the book. Right now,
we're kicking around a poem without a name yet about Lady Gaga that would be
great in a full book length project.
For this chapbook, I
really do want to thank rob, because there can be 99 publishers in a room and
99 of them reject you – all you need is one publisher to say "fine"
to change your whole life.
What do you think IAN?
There can be 99...
IAN: ...sandwiches?
Dave: Sandwiches.
David
Currie is not IAN MARTIN. He is a
different writer with whom IAN MARTIN is collaborating. David's work has
appeared in various places – he wishes he could be more specific, but he forgot
to write them down, and has been collected into six chapbooks. He is the author
of no-book-books, so what are we even doing here?
IAN
MARTIN is large and barely in charge. Their work has appeared recently in
periodicities, BAD DOG Mag, Discordia Review, and Sumac Literary Magazine. IAN
has published six chapbooks, most recently EVERYONE IS MY ENEMY (2022). When
not writing, IAN makes small video games and complains. Visit
www.ianmartin.rocks at your own risk.
Their
collaborative chapbook, This Guy Gets It, appeared recently through
above/ground press.