Friday, September 4, 2026

David Currie & IAN MARTIN : These Guys Get It

 

 

 

Dave: Maybe we can just do this like Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. I think the secret sauce is that we’ve known each other for a long time, our writing has been inspired by each other’s entire back catalogue, and throughout Versefest, Two for One, Riverbed, the Factory Reading Series, and we’ve been talking about jokes with increasing intensity.

IAN: Yeah, when we're at poetry events together, we're usually sitting somewhere at the back, joking and riffing off of each other. So that's kind of how the chapbook came together – we would send poems back and forth, writing and rewriting as we went, riffing off each other's ideas.

Dave: I think play is an important part of the project. Comedy writing is often done in small groups. Some of my favourite moments are sitting together and cracking wise during readings.  We're old friends - who only really hang out at readings. It's nice to have a thing. One of the things I think we have both experienced is that poetry events can be...well...self-serious. The number of times I've texted a friend "somebody throw a pie!" during a reading could single space fill its own 30 page chapbook. Once we realized that this stand up project was going to work, we immediately started thinking of ways to make it fun for as many people as possible.

I think both of our sections in the book walk the line between parody and pastiche and I think the "stage show" really mirrors that. 

IAN: I've always had a serious, depressing streak in my writing, and there's definitely a place for that. But humour makes the sad stuff go down a little easier. And people like to laugh! It brings us together. The world is full of so much sadness but sometimes it's so sad that it's kinda funny.

Our stage show came about through riffing as well. Someone comes up with an idea, and you just keep trying to escalate it until it's so ridiculous it shouldn't work, then you do it anyways. We start our reading of the chapbook by copying a darts champion's walk-on song, and we end with a Saturday Night Live outro. Then in the middle we read a bunch of weird poetry and expect to be taken seriously. Riding that line is fun, where the audience isn't sure what's a joke and what's not. The higher the tension, the better the release.

Dave: Ok, that's a fair point. There's nothing wrong with serious depressing readings. There's always an undercurrent of that (?)  in my work as well but I do think if you ask people to leave their houses there should be some effort to add something to make it feel worth it. For my money, Christine McNair is one of the best readers around. She's not exactly Conan O'Brien but she creates a definite mood – a container to hold the audience in stasis until the reading is done. A great reading, a great set, holds you every second until it drops you in a cornfield somewhere without your wallet, your house keys, your shoes, and with somebody else's iguana to take care of.

I guess we should talk about the poems. After we were going back and forth, I hadn't reread IAN's poems until we were doing final edits and I laughed out loud so many times that I couldn't believe how lucky I was to be collaborating with them. For me, IAN's poems in This Guy Gets It transport me out of time and space. IAN does such a good job of replicating the dark stage, hot spotlight feeling of a comedy club while at the same time injecting that space with a whole world of characters, structures, and philosophies. It's such a pleasure to have my poem's next to theirs.

IAN: My poems may take you out of time and space, but yours put me in every time and space at once. Dave's very first poem immediately makes the link between comedy and philosophy, this ceaseless need to observe and question and reframe things over and over and over until you understand it all, or realize that you can't. His poems draw from all these different sources, music, TV, mythology, history, and mash them together in different configurations to try and make some sense out of the bizarre, iterative project of humanity. Dave is so great at capturing what it's like to live in the present, constantly haunted by everything that came before, and dealing with the absurd amalgam of what has survived.

Also he's very funny. 

Dave: We like each other.  We also both really like the book. I'm very grateful to rob mclennan for all his help. People seem to like the book (and the roadshow) too. 

I don't want to make a big thing about this but I saw a lit mag this week say "Don't send humour." Which is in itself very funny. We're seriously starting to put together an expanded full length manuscript. We both talk a lot about how frustrating it is to send our full length M.S.s out and to not find them a home.

This project feels special, though. It feels like it might be a place to start. We're adding a bunch of new poems – we're co-writing more. In This Guy Gets It, the last poem is co-written and I honestly think it might be the funniest poem in the chapbook. We wrote it knowing the shape of the rest of the book. Right now, we're kicking around a poem without a name yet about Lady Gaga that would be great in a full book length project.

For this chapbook, I really do want to thank rob, because there can be 99 publishers in a room and 99 of them reject you – all you need is one publisher to say "fine" to change your whole life.

What do you think IAN? There can be 99...

IAN: ...sandwiches?

Dave: Sandwiches.

 

 

 

 

David Currie is not IAN MARTIN.  He is a different writer with whom IAN MARTIN is collaborating. David's work has appeared in various places – he wishes he could be more specific, but he forgot to write them down, and has been collected into six chapbooks. He is the author of no-book-books, so what are we even doing here?

  

IAN MARTIN is large and barely in charge. Their work has appeared recently in periodicities, BAD DOG Mag, Discordia Review, and Sumac Literary Magazine. IAN has published six chapbooks, most recently EVERYONE IS MY ENEMY (2022). When not writing, IAN makes small video games and complains. Visit www.ianmartin.rocks at your own risk.

Their collaborative chapbook, This Guy Gets It, appeared recently through above/ground press.

Process Note #78 : David Booth : What We Thought Was a Ringtone

The 'process note’ pieces were originally solicited by Maw Shein Win as addendum to her teaching particular poems and poetry collections for various workshops and classes. This process note and poems by David Booth are part of her curriculum for Maker, Mentor, Muse and poetry classes at the University of San Francisco, Dominican University, and Saint Mary’s College of California. Thank you for reading.

 

 

Let me begin with the well-known literary concept that inspired my book Tell Me Please, What’s the Matter: Poetry & Prose (Blue Cedar, 2025), with a focus on three poems from the collection, “Ringtones,” “Jaunt,” and “Mood for a Day.” Thinking of it as the poet remaining level and clear in a storm, I became interested in Keats’ notion of negative capability in early 2017. Keats means it as “when [a person] is capable of being in uncertainties, Mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact & reason.” He insists that the poet must be okay with “half knowledge,” with all they can’t understand about people separated by their beliefs and circumstances. For Keats, this is bound up with a further claim: in a great poet “the sense of Beauty overcomes every other consideration, or rather obliterates all consideration.” Beauty, if I understand Keats correctly, is not the product of the poets’ nonjudgment in the making of poems but instead what makes an empathic approach possible in the first place. As the beautiful necessity stands against propaganda, the search for beauty moves the poet away from sides. They remain in uncertainty without reaching irritably for a verdict. Bringing this mindset, whether natural in a poet or learned, into our modern parlance, Allen Ginsberg describes Negative Capability:

the possibility of seeing contending parties, or your mommy and daddy, or yourself and your wife, or your baby and yourself. You can see them all screaming at each other and you can see as a kind of comedic drama that you don’t get tangled and lost in it, you don’t enter into the daydream fantasy of being right and being one side or the other so completely that you go out and chop somebody’s head off. Instead you just sort of watch yourself, and watch them in and out of the game at the same time, both in and out of the game, watching and wondering at it…the ability to have contrary ideas in your head at the same time without freaking out….[1]  

If negative capability helps me describe my disposition, I write poems in forms that hold it. “Ringtones” comprises eleven paragraphs set together like episodes or meditations. A single sustained mishearing links them. What we think is a ringtone turns out to be larks in the birch, then rain, then hair brushed out with plastic brushes, then a wildfire, then ice shifting in a glass as it melts. The refrain—what we thought, what we mistook—keeps a perception and its source slightly out of register. Meaning happens in that gap, hedging against doubt as it goes (we guess, god knows who, do animals make slurping noises?). This is half-knowledge we can hear. It is also periodic, as the ringtone is a recurring signal. Recurrence runs through all three poems in different registers—acoustic in the refrains and in a line like bind and move, bind and move; tidal in the ferry going back and forth and the coupling rhythms of box springs; orbital in the seven Earth-like planets circling Trappist-1; and generational in the mothers and sons who keep arriving to fail or to see. And though the poems drift associatively, this is not stream of consciousness. Each sentence is placed as assuredly as a line in a conventional lyric. What echoes is not only language itself, articulated, enunciated, and the real-life sounds that words on a page evoke, but also the question in the wind, the question the sound carries: can we perceive and hold one another authentically? In “Ringtones,” the bodhisattva Guanyin “hears the cries of the world” and listens “without judging or reacting.” Against her stands the man who closes “Jaunt,” whose fatal flaw is that he “can never hold let alone cradle the suffering of others.” The ringtone gag is the playful surface of serious questions about caretaking.

Such questions do not stay literary for long. The year 2017 shows U.S. Americans in conflict with each other, with little of Ginsberg’s “comedic” or Keats’ “beautiful” about it. Democracy feels more stress-tested than many of us are used to. A record crowd fills the streets in the Women’s March. “Fake news” hardens into an accusation, the press becoming “the enemy of the people.” [2] The Muslim ban arrives as an executive order. Government offices empty of career staff. DACA is rescinded. #MeToo goes viral. As the NFL takes a knee and Charlottesville takes a life, I ask more questions: What would it look like to keep faith with friends and family first, before politics, without looking away from a government trampling my own ethics? And how might negative capability, applied to the prose poem, a form built to hold prose and lyric at once, and so to contain contraries, help me present image over argument, attention over position?

Here disposition becomes method. My poems do use the first person—I’m in the storm—but it is not quite me. Because I build these poems partly by appropriating text from my own notebooks, some kept as far back as the mid-Nineties, a speaker, a chatty “I,” emerges from across decades, before any poem gets made. This distance is itself a version of the Keatsian stance. The Self is both in and out of the game because I meet my past as archived fragments rather than as present confessor. Working from fragments long forgotten until I find them again in my own handwriting and letting the “I” occasionally surface in poems that ape a kind of omniscience depersonalize the conventional lyric “I.” The fact of this “I” coming into view in my poems only occasionally and never with a fleshed-out personality—he’s not even a protagonist—brings me back to the storm analogy. Poet Robin Blaser (1925-2009) found fun nomenclature for this when he was young:

In the reading at UBC, I used the term that I thought the poet was a commoter, and then I said I discovered the word commoter as a little boy in Hawthorne and it’s quite true. The word commoter means simply a guy inside the commotion, and we don’t even use the word commoter but I do love that word. [3]

Blaser’s commoter is the poet, and also Keats’s poet of negative capability. I situate the role inside the poem as speaker—me but not me. Like a narrator who says “I” but whose story belongs to others—the witness in the scene, not its protagonist—my commoter is a distant first person turned outward. It pays attention to the experiences of others rather than explicating my own victories and losses, my connections, my trauma. It finds its voice in events I may or may not be part of but that reach me as someone drawn to the plights of others as a shared humanity. And here Blaser and I part: for him the commoter is single, a child’s delight remembered, the memory illuminating his older self. For me the figure splits. The speaker heads into the commotion while the watching stays outside, with me.

Many postmodern poets model in instructive and liberating ways aspects of my process. Bernadette Mayer (1945–2022) uses the notebook in a procedural process centered on daily diary entries. I admire in Memory and The Desires of Mothers to Please Others in Letters the intimacy of colloquial speech, the colorfully plain voice of a diarist going public, in the presentation of her own messy humanity. As for Blaser, I’ve read him for a long time. His poems don’t read like diary entries but are instead sites for language to pass through from his notes on his own political and professional and love lives, and on friendship, framed by a life of reading. I point the plain speech of Mayer’s diaries in its direction.

I read postmodern poets to watch them collage fragments, pile up paratactic statements the way consciousness does, and take up self-reflexive concerns for what remembering even is. At its limit, their toolkit argues narrative away. My reluctance here finds articulation in Carla Harryman’s craft statement “Toy Boats.” [4] She wants “to distribute narrative rather than deny it.” She adds: “The enemies of narrative are those who believe in it and those who deny it. Both throw existence into question.” This is the negative capability of a poet writing indeterminate poems without insisting on telling or refusing a story. In my poems, story surfaces and recedes as a chess game, a shaved beard and the cancer under it, and a night in a yurt. These narrative moments aren’t relief for readers seeking plot. They show the personal lodged, more or less deeply, in the societal, and they render the mundane as beautiful. Such beauty is at once the commoter’s experience and the poem’s offering.

If “Ringtones” builds on mishearing and “Jaunt” moves toward legacies of ethics, “Mood for a Day” shows a poetics of indeterminacy more starkly. The leaps can be long between sentences and paragraphs. The “I” I describe isn’t just Self stitched from old notebooks but a Self open to other people’s words—sites at times like the ones I imagine in Blaser. I quote Susanne Langer’s Mind: An Essay on Human Feeling at length. Ann Hamilton’s “Labor is a way of knowing” is complete as an injunction. Yet the voices in the poem, a flickering persona, live worlds apart. An eighty-one-year-old mother sits at her drop spindle making linen with the Fates close by. Seven Earth-like planets circle Trappist-1. Madonna is Mater. A puppy strains against its collar. In the sense Kristeva gives the word, this intertextuality means many borrowed voices and many kinds of speech kept in one place without being smoothed into one.[5] This cuts against our assumption of the lyric poem that the speaker is the poet. Speech operates throughout my poems not to identify any one person but to place catastrophe next to tenderness. Speech gives motion to a “smoldering planet” as cosmic context for the question of how we should work now that we’re failing. Speech gives life to the plainest of lines, I’m happy to be going through life with you, but not before the Caring Cart Drawn by Mammals appears as that half-joking vehicle of mutual carrying. The apocalyptic and the tender share the same sentence in ways that the prose poem, like a cart, accommodates. The steadiness Keats asks for isn’t a place outside the storm. It’s the willingness to sit in the cart while mammals pull.

 

Notes

[1] From Ginsberg’s essay “On Walt Whitman, Composed on the Tongue or Taking a Walk Through Leaves of Grass,” collected in Deliberate Prose, published by HarperCollins in 2000.

[2] Here is where the capability is hardest to keep, and not only for poets. This is the test everyone feels. A phrase like “enemy of the people” works by ending the search. It names the villain and offers the relief of no longer having to doubt anything. This is propaganda’s pull, which is often beautifully constructed—stirring, shapely, moving. But its beauty is a beauty that, arriving, sets you down on one side and shuts the question. The beauty Keats means keeps you in the uncertainty. It keeps you from the verdict. The search for beauty and the manufacture of an enemy are antithetical. One stays open, the other closes. That they can look alike for a moment, both moving, both made, is exactly what's misleading and can cheat people and get them displaced, hurt, or killed.

[3] From transcripts of taped discussions that poet Robin Blaser (1925–2009) had with his peers in the mid Seventies, collected in the 2015 book from The University of Alabama Press The Astonishment Tapes: Talks on Poetry and Autobiography with Robin Blaser and Friends.

[4] “Toy Boats” first appears in Non/Narrative (1985) and is reprinted in an anthology a guide to Poetics Journal: writing in the expanded field, 1982-1998 (Wesleyan University Press, 2013), edited by Lyn Hejinian and Barrett Watten.

[5] Julia Kristeva coined the term “intertextuality” in her 1966 essay “Word, Dialogue, and Novel.” Here she reworks Bakhtin’s dialogism into the idea that every text is “a mosaic of quotations.” It appears in English in Desire in Language (1980). She later refined the concept, preferring the term “transposition,” in Revolution in Poetic Language (1974).

 

Ringtones

The birds we mistook for a ringtone, the larks in the birch beyond our window glass. Ringtones made the sounds of rain and the swish of the sleeves of strangers brushing. Water falls through the head of a tree, hard, deciduous. Tomorrow’s forecast calls for ringtones rioting like spring flowers while we wait out the rain.

These boys like to hang out and talk to each other all day long, but it’s never the two of them alone, as their phones are always abuzz and ringing. The one on the right, who uncharacteristically wishes to remain anonymous, texts god knows who after beating the one on the left, brainiac Tray, in a game of chess one Sunday afternoon. If there weren’t something unknowable going on with him, he would gloat to Tray’s face and Tray would ruminate on it behind forced smiles. What a novel ringtone this would make: the sound of a child gloating mixed with the softer sound of his friend, half-shy, gloating counteracted.

What I thought was a ringtone was the sound of my stepping whole-sole on the whole of my eyeglasses. If you haven’t heard by now, it doesn’t matter about the awful past.

What we mistook for a ringtone, the soft-scraping sounds of those brushing out their hair with plastic brushes. Rubbing scalps of enigma. What we thought was a ringtone was a source of causeless laughter. This is neither here nor there, but my niece’s ringtone sounds like a flip-book animated snowdrift across a forest floor up to the earliest branches.

All day long travelers arrived from the front to be halted by an impassable river, so stand they on a muddy bank like figures out of a mythical literature. Frozen, drenched, far removed from cell reception, they watch the ferry and the ferryman going back and forth. They yell in vain their long-drawn summonses. One begs not the question, What is the Song of Deborah, but what is its melody, scoreless in Judges?* The spiel I was going to give I believe I have forgotten. There’s a forgetfulness in…. I forget where this comes from, but I’ve heard it said that a nuclear winter begins with a regional war fought with conventional weapons.

I read lips, you know. I’m reading yours now, while you explain to Little Boy Arnold the equations he must work out on the dry-erase boards around him. Up the hill from where I stand, a cordoned off area, ragged hill pine, falls into the ocean. The tearing sounds of collapse are not phones ringing. They say to the boy, “Show your work why don’t you?” His reply: “I’ve done it in my head since the beginning.”

The bodhisattva Guanyin is the one who hears the cries of the world.† She listens deeply without judging or reacting while he, who is he, talks prettily about shrubs. All the pretty talk in the world can’t do justice to the long-necked birds and the boats bobbing between kelp beds. Ringtones ring out across this setting. What we thought were ringtones were kids these days using the phrase “Just saying” in their enjoyment of each other.

After two stressful weeks for both of us, we ran away for two days and a night to a yurt in the Salinas Valley. We forgot our phones. The springs of box springs called out coupling rhythms. Trouble seemed not to exist, or not to have followed us, like in these antique sentences from Steinbeck’s The Pastures of Heaven: “The farmers at last lived prosperously and at peace. Their land was rich and easy to work. The fruits of their gardens were the finest produced in central California.”‡

What we thought was a ringtone was a wildfire. That the population of the world grew exponentially was one cause of such fires. What we thought were ringtones were human herds thinning.

He remembered he had a little pot on him, but it hardly seemed worth it. Every part of the landscape and sky, especially at night with stars multiplying and whining coyotes trotting somewhere in the distance, was like an outward expression of inner life.

It would happen several times that evening before he realized that the mysterious sound nudging him awake was the ice in the glass (on his nightstand) shifting as it melted. In the meantime, in the moonlight with the water slowly collecting, he closed his eyes, and getting this beautiful kind of curve, took up inventing again.

 

Notes

* It’s hard to know Deborah (d. 1067 BC). In the Book of Judges, she is a prophetess of Judaism. She is the fourth Judge of pre-monarchic Israel. The only female judge mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, she is a charismatic military leader who also calls herself a “mother” in Israel (5:7), which must mean “parent.” Though I think of her as a courageous woman called on by the Lord to engineer the Israelite’s defeat of the Canaanites under Sisera, full credit for this victory goes to Yahweh (5:5). Deborah may be ordinary after all, yet illuminated by the Spirit of the Lord in a moment of crisis. Putatively written by her, this song, a poem really, suggests that ordinary people do extraordinary things.

Guanyin is also Kuan Yin or Quan Yin. In Sanskrit, her name is Padma-pâni, which means “Born of the Lotus.”

‡ John Steinbeck (1902-1968) may be best known for The Grapes of Wrath (1939), his novel about the Great Depression. My favorite from when I was a kid is his strike novel, In Dubious Battle (1936), though the prose feels a wooden now. Or it is antique. My point is that it showed me the “right to work” versus “the right to organize”—a hard distinction for me to make as a teen.


 

Jaunt

My feelings I like to conceal from the eyes of my fellow men, of course without any fearful strain to do so—such strain I would consider a great error, and a mighty stupidity.*

                                                   —Robert Walser

Thigh muscles bind and move the femur, bind and move, bind and move, thighs give life to long bones lengthening. Why does an angel reach for Jacob’s thigh? Why touch it? How many people have been born from a thigh? We want to know but know no one who can tell us. Who among us has suffered a serious thigh wound?  What is a serious thigh wound compared to a charley horse? What is the thigh’s role in impulsive, regrettable behavior? We’re told the word femur means to engender but can find no record of this in old saw lit.

What little boy doesn’t make the mistake once in a lifetime of racing through the crowd of a picnic on his exclusive plane of existence to hug the loving leg of another boy’s father? Looking down at the boy, a new father whose beard gives the impression of a cat burglar promises to shave it off if he doesn’t want to scare the new son half to death before they’ve gotten to know each other. He’s looking less conniving at the start of night, when he discovers a mole on his chin the size of a fossil snake for a doctor to burn off with liquid nitrogen. “I loved my beard more than the face it covered,” he admits to the new son, “and removed it to find a spot of cancer.” The new son says he must grow it back pronto if he doesn’t want to look like a sudden child locked in no one’s memory.

A man carrying a car battery in a crosswalk holds it in his hands like a sling for lugging. Sixty pounds we guess and it caves the shoulders and the chest and, straining the face, pulls the body forward while we wait in traffic for the light to change. The cold sore on his lip squeezed open like an old cherry to engender conversations about boys and the men they’re becoming, we watch his swagger pass and accelerate.

A woman who can’t see far enough in front of her to know what’s coming walks on the sidewalk with the aid of a walker toward a coyote eating the entrails of a trashcan as lackadaisically as distractible homo sapiens with cups of clam chowder. The coyote hasn’t relied on birds’ eggs in ages. Animals make slurping noises. Do animals make slurping noises? “We worry more about the spread of zoonotic diseases,” we roll down our window to tell her, “and less about wanderers devoured.” “Anything can happen,” she shrugs. The sidewalk where a coyote eating remains intersects an old trail stretching down to the coast through a non-native forest featuring Eucalyptus globulus, Pinas radiata, Cupressus macrocarpa.

When poet Rae Armantrout (b. 1947) ends her poem “Native” with the lines, “Here eucalyptus / leaves dandle, // redundant but syncopated,” it’s Lovers’ Lane we imagine in the woods where the coyote lives and the old army barracks in the north of San Francisco stand. A footpath carved out by Spanish soldiers and missionaries after the Costanoans and the Californios is a shortcut from the Main Post of the Presidio to the Mission on date night in those first moments in the life of a city. A path for young lovers to walk, countless people walk it. Some are pueblo settlers and mission fathers and some are men with pointy muskets, game birds hung from belts, mess-tins, toiletries. Walking together and always apart, as individuals they can neither smell their own noses nor kiss their own mouths. But they can admire each other’s faces and lean into each other’s bodies. Given their numbers, at least one of them wears his emotions on his sleeve and is well known for how exasperating this can be. If he is brave, intelligent, honorable, noble of action, his fatal flaw, a family trait passed down through the generations, is his inability to imagine these same fine qualities in those of his own and other species who naturally and tactically dissimulate. He can never hold let alone cradle the suffering of others.

 

Notes

*From Walser’s story “The Walk”

 

 

Mood for a Day

Looking down from a balcony onto a blazing  bright spectacle of some kind, she wears a sequined dress, backless, while he looks past her from deep inside their condominium not to what he can’t see her looking down upon but what must be a smoldering planet. God how he hates a smoldering planet. Hating with every fiber of his being, he soothes himself recalling Madonna, who is Mater, and Mater who is Mother of the Lilies and the lilies who go with Lily of the Heart, to whom he says, “I commit myself to you.

It is the Year of the Woman and scientists have discovered seven Earth-like planets orbiting a star some thirty-nine thousand light years distant. My eighty-one-year-old mother asks, “Will humans bring sexism to a new planet or can we start without it?” She holds in her hands a drop spindle to make fine linen. An abridged version of an endless book called Mind: An Essay on Human Feeling* sits beside her on a basket with its knees up and chin propped on loose fists of inquiry. She has stopped reading at the sentence “It is natural for a person reared in the atmosphere of European common sense to assume that the use of ritual in connection with the ordinary, daily chores—gardening, hunting, fishing, handiwork—must have a practical aim, and to ask a native of forest or veldt how his work would be affected if the sacred forms were omitted.” A hundred pages from the end, she won’t pick it up again. Refusing any and all companion texts, she works out her interiorities on her own in anticipation of the busy day ahead. From a fiber mass does life after all continue.

Recession can be a father of conscience. How should we work now that we’re failing? Like our own mother making it work? By some kind of rotation? To amass a deck? To make an intervention? Portfolio-sharing? In saying, “Labor is a way of knowing,” the artist Ann Hamilton (b. 1956) asks what it means to live and work inter-generationally. What do you like about it? What’s not to like unless you carry wounds from childhood and in your case such carrying is involuntary and unseemly?

The star at the center of the new solar system is called Trappist-1. True Trappists devote themselves to silence in the face of insatiable wonderment in the near and far of their wonders’ objects. Its leash taut, a puppy called Prince Mutt gasps for joy and breath under the press of the collar against its throat as it strains to smell another’s feces.

On a personal note, I’m happy to be going through life with you. It’s a relief to sit beside you in a metaphorical cart that we may call Caring Cart Drawn by Mammals in our occasional practice of kenning upon a road grown less bumpy nearer the horizon. But what is an actual cart like? To my mind it is more practical than ornate when pulled by horses with minds of their own who treat us kindly while biding their time in their current occupations. In any event let us sit for a few minutes after some kind of communion and coughing stops, nose-blowing stops, throats stop clearing. The more palpable silence grows, the less cliché an ambience for self-reflection.

 

Notes

*Susanne K. Langer (1885-1895) wrote Mind: An Essay on Human Feeling, first published in 1967.

† Like Noda and Neel in this book, Ann Hamilton is a popular artist. Known for her large-scale installations, public art, and collaborative performances, she explores communal exchanges and the representation of individuals and communities. 

 

 

 

 

 

David Booth is the author of two books of prose and poetry, Tell Me Please, What’s the Matter (2025) and Too Bright to See (2021). His work has appeared or is forthcoming in Tupelo Quarterly, Rain Taxi, Prairie Review, Chicago Quarterly Review, Cerasus, Missouri Review, Fourteen Hills, Transfer, and Washington Square. The M.I.T. Press published his scholarly work about participatory democracy. A high school humanities teacher Lycée Français de San Francisco, he lives in SF with his wife Ingrid Hawkinson.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  


Maw Shein Win’s most recent full-length poetry collection is Percussing the Thinking Jar (Omnidawn) which was shortlisted for the 2025 Northern California Book Award in Poetry. Her previous full-length collection Storage Unit for the Spirit House (Omnidawn) was longlisted for the PEN America 2021 Open Book Award, and shortlisted for the Golden Poppy Award for Poetry. She is the inaugural poet laureate of El Cerrito, CA, the recipient of the 2026 George Garrett Award for Outstanding Community Service in Literature, 2025 Berkeley Poetry Festival Lifetime Achievement Award, and the 2025 Nomadic/SF Foundation Literary Award for Non-fiction. She is a member of The Writers Grotto and a co-founder of Maker, Mentor, Muse. She teaches poetry in the MFA Programs at the University of San Francisco, Dominican University, and Saint Mary’s College of California. mawsheinwin.com

Nathanaël : Someone Screams across the Open Ocean : translated from French by Matt Reeck

 

 

a world where words are trimmed with silence

Frantz Fanon, Black Skin White Masks

 

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Someone screams across the open ocean.

 

She says its in the splash of a dream. She says time has closed over the scream, and the scream persists, there, on the open ocean. She doesnt say what the open ocean is made of. Nor where the scream descends. Over the ocean open, she says. Someone screams over the open ocean. Its a parasitic scream, returning from a long time ago. A collapse reconstituted in a scream, she says. But the body is barely visible, it appears just so the scream can be uttered. Then it disappears. As though eternal. It floats, there, in the water of the voice. Its the voice that trembles on the surface of the water. In the distant open of its scream. Everything is muddled now. The voice fritters away like sand in the wind. Shes not sure about the wide moon in the heavens. She says that the scream is a prison. That nothing has been broken. That the scream belongs to the atmosphere, like water to the sea. It folds and then flows outward. The scream is a crease. It appears then disappears. She says that all that matters is in the disappearance of the scream that rests suspended in her eyes. That even when she closes her eyes, she sees the scream, she hears the body, she extends her hands to touch the air that flows in and out. She doesnt say that her vision is made of roots, or how many roots must be present in the waterfall tumbling down against the boulders among the vines.

 

When he asks her the question, she doesnt hear it.

 

Someone is screaming across the open ocean, she says. Imponderable. She says its imponderable, this scream, melting into itself, which she alone can hear. She says that the open ocean itself is imponderable now, that the forest prevents us from thinking about it. That the error of time is continental, and we found out too late. She says too late as though ashamed of it.

 

He listens but doesnt understand the shame inside the voice.

 

She gets suddenly annoyed when she says the word continental. She wants to know what its doing there, and for how long she had accepted its presence. A waterland having sprayed its watery memory into the steely eyes of its citizens. Thats all it meant. She regrets having said anything at all. Its been so long already.

 

She says the ring that holds the worlds together has grown wider. Its possible the body has wandered there. Again, does it have to be that the body has wandered away? She cant say. She says that the open ocean is a place as well, far be it from her to pass judgment. Meanwhile, when she dreams, the scream lives on, with or without a body, the scream screamed over the open ocean. He wants to ask her to speak more about the ring, if theres just one, for instance, but he doesnt want to bother her. Shes already trembling. The water trembles, she says, didnt you notice. He says yes, the water is trembling, but if he knows it, few others do. Why a ring. She cant tell him why. The scream is encircled, she says, what does it matter. What did they say about the open ocean? Nothing. She says that nothing was ever said, because theres nothing to say about it, that way it recedes from view doesnt allow commentary. Its already having receded is the basis on which we call it the open ocean, and it exists insofar as it has receded. She says that very early in the morning the balaos ripple across the ocean, they are momentary smiles for the water, heavens, the roseate terns. She says shes sure about it, but she cant say the same about the open ocean. He says that people say the open ocean” like people say the “lands. Yes, she says, its likely the same fear that makes us talk like that. She hadnt wanted to speak of fear but now that he had, she feels almost relieved.

 

Now time has stopped mattering, she says. She says the scream has hollowed out time. That it swallowed the sun in the waning light of day, the fire, and its trembling. She steps into the liquid of her own voice and almost drowns. He shows her the cliff. Its here, he says, where the water comes. Are you above or below. She sets her hand on the bluff. She says that she no longer knows what to think, that her hand is a rippling made of leaf and bark and that that is how love enters into the body itself a scream. She also says, didnt you see that the island is a wing in the immense sea. That the country the wing has inside itself is a serious and sad country carried along by joy. He doesnt answer because scared of losing her to chaos, but she is as serious as the country that has lost its scream. Her vision has turned inside. She shows her hands as though guilty of a crime. She says the continent lost its wings. That men came in the night full of the blood of their idea to cut the wings folded in sleep, and that the idea and the wing are now gone, lost in the homeless wind, to drain the bloody, invisible night. So the wounded continent separated itself from its intimate thoughts, from its sublime pulsing life, its people raced to the seaside, it lay down in the once empty marine depths that were gathered again under the wing of the little waterland abandoned in the surging waves. She says that this is what memory is. Someone screams across the open ocean, she says that without giving it any thought, for the first time, she says it just like this each time. Its a dejected scream, a deep scream, or a surfacing. It comes, it leaves again, into the brush of the country of the trembling island.

 

She says that the scream was emitted just once. That it lasts just a second, cannot be copied, and is quickly reabsorbed. Since it has never been heard in all its depth and expanse, she says it will never leave the body that it never had. Just once, a full solitude, a cloud made entirely of water that never rains, without ever coming or going. She says that the scream is screamed like never before. She repeats this to make sure the pain of this single scream pinned to its radiance is heard, and the open ocean that envelops and drowns it. Hollow, she says, the scream is hollow, like time. Its blue like glass. Its round like water is round. A star abandoned to the sea, a celestial body without contours, without arrival, a wringing of worlds. A flight, he says to her, hoping to touch the same ardor, the same desolation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

Nathanaël [photo credit: Karine Villeneuve] is the author of more than forty books written in French or in English. A poet, essayist and accidental photographer, she has been honoured by several distinctions, including the Prix Alain-Grandbois (Qc) for …s’arrête ? Je, a Publishing Triangle Award (USA) for The Middle Notebookes, the Prix International de Poésie de l’Académie Claudine de Tencin (Fr) for L’heure limicole and the Prix international de l’invention poétique (Mq) for Tempes. Her work has additionally been recognised by fellowships from the PEN American Center, the Centre National du Livre de France, the Conseil des Arts du Canada, Terre d’Arts / ETC Caraïbe.

Nathanaël is also a prolific translator, for example of works by Maryse Condé, Édouard Glissant, Monchoachi, Catherine Mavrikakis, Frédérique Guétat-Liviani, Chantal Neveu, Hilda Hilst (the latter in collaboration with Rachel Gontijo Araújo). She collaborated with the filmmaker on the English subtitles of the Monchoachi La Parole Sovaj’ by Arlette Pacquit, with whom she is preparing a book of interviews, Andidan (CARA, 2026). Nathanaël’s translation of Alfred Alexandre’s elegy The Ballad of Leïla Khane will be published in 2026 by Wendy’s Subway.

Matt Reeck translates from French, Hindi, Urdu, and Korean. Forthcoming publications include translations from the French of Édouard Glissant (U Nebraska Press) and Shumona Sinha (Liverpool UP), the Hindi of Leeladhar Jagoori (World Poetry) and Adnan Kafeel Darwesh (Ugly Duckling), and the Urdu of Qazi Abdul Ghaffar (Penguin-India). A previous translation from Nathanaël's Tempes appeared in the Montreal magazine Ellipse 95 (2025).

 

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