Gwen Aube is the author of Missed
Connections with Tall Girls (LittlePuss Press, 2026). She is a 2026 Al
Purdy A-Frame Artist-In-Residence & 2025 AiR with the Ontario Heritage
Council. She was a finalist for the 2025 PEN Canada New Voices Award, as well
as a Kevin Killian Scholarship recipient for the Jack Kerouac School. Her
chapbook pulp necrosis was published by above/ground press.
Gwen Aube reads in Ottawa alongside Claudia Coutu Radmore and D.A. Lockhart on Wednesday, March 25, 2026 as part of VERSeFest2026.
Conyer Clayton: Right from the start of the collection,
with the epigraph from Richard Rohr (“God loves things by becoming them. We
love God by continuing the same pattern.” p.11), we see a gesturing towards the
divine through both revolutionary practices and literal religious spaces. I was
struck by the following lines:
“THE SACRED AND THE
LIBERATORY
BLUR BECAUSE THEY ARE
BOTH MYSTERY—
BOTH STRUGGLE —BOTH
LOVE—” (p.52)
and
“for this fate, i prayed
at the unitarian church
& the week after at
the anglican church
& the week after at
the gnostic church
in the yoga studio,
progressively finding myself
in stupider &
stupider places, cooking down
pomp & circumstance
to its base components:
mother, child, moon,
blood, sex, time,” (p.86)
Can
you speak about your handling of this theme?
Gwen Aube:
So
for background, I’ve had a twin set of religious experiences over the last few
years. First, I started attending the aforementioned Anglican church, as well
as reading theology & post-secular philosophy & such. Second, I
(finally!) attended several Radical Faerie gatherings, basically mystical pagan
dionysian festivals of queer holiness, which shook me to my core. Both of these
spaces are primarily spiritual sites for me, but they’re also inseparably
political in nature, with people advocating “works”, a radical theosis, or
liberation as a spiritual cause.
The
book plays with transgenderISM as virus & civilizational death-cult
a lot, and for me this is really in conversation with the bits about
motherhood—I don’t want this queerphobia keeping us from the human project,
which one could “cook down” to that shit in the quote, mother child moon
blood sex time. This, to me, is a deeply spiritual hope, situating love not
just among those known to us, but among our ancestors and those who will come
after us. Richard Gilman-Opalsky says that love is fundamentally outside
exchange-value. Time (in this regard) acts as an illusory function of capital,
and to situate storge (greekin out bitch) within deep time, beyond the
functional unit, is a holy & revolutionary practice, whatever that’s worth.
Like, Cuba’s Family Code is a lovely move. God willing they survive the
horrific siege against them. It all just makes you want to pray, yknow?
I
should say also, like many, I’ve been struck by Simone Weil. I heard about her
thru Chris Kraus’s Aliens and Anorexia (in hindsight, I don’t love its
read of Weil, but it’s a nice book). I really, really fell in love with her.
The way Weil talks about love, God, and “the good” as basically synonyms really
shaped these poems. At one point I was at Webster Library daily reading her
(& Diogenes Allen’s readings of her), walking around all day replaying
David Cayley’s wonderful CBC radio series on her. I cried alongside the
trans-canada highway at Cayley’s daughter’s reading of Weil’s quotes, which she
does with such humanity.
Sorry
if I’m just like name-dropping here, others are infinitely smarter than this at
me & I’m still a novice reader of it, but I’m deeply grateful to be taking
in the liturgy and the communal-cooking forest-orgy and writing towards the
thing. I have always loved, above all, this beatific feeling.
CC: There is an incredible and effective blend of
humour, desire, and violence (“if beauty is violence, let us be beautiful. / if
god suffers with us, let us suffer.” p.91), and in particular, as the speaker
thinks about their yearning for connection/love with/for trans women (“she
shall be loved the way i have been loved—like an attack / on the stupid
immutable flesh of the world. // brutally, relentlessly, without condition or
mercy or pause, / she shall be loved by me.” p. 92).
How
did you approach balancing love and violence around this topic?
GA: That quoted poem is about my trans-mother,
Ottawa-born novelist and painter Sybil Lamb. We lived together for like 8
years, and one time, years ago now, she was goading me on cuz she was in a bad
mood. She wouldn’t fuck off, so I slapped her hard in the face. Six seconds of
mutual flailing later she had me in a chokehold up against the unfinished
drywall. Winner, Gagnon! I won’t ever do it again, I should plead here,
don’t hit people—it was parental, yknow? We’ve carried our friend with
multiple-sclerosis home together, we’ve kept the cops out when runaway girls
got into fist-fights over cig money, we’ve dug pits and hopped trains together.
Our love has been lived in the body, and that poem reflects our context.
More
broadly, the majority of the world, much of which works in slave conditions to
procure our pulp & ink, is a fundamentally violent one. Primarily cuz
colonial domination, but also cuz the frictionless society of the western
professional-managerial arts worker is a fiction provided thru that
subjugation. I grew up in a relatively violent environment & also one which
was overflowing with love. Bataille has the thing about Eros and Death, which
isn’t really what I’m working with (I think the love in this book is rarely
eros), but there’s something of that type of fundamental tension here, too.
As for the mentioned violence of beauty, I still don’t know how to talk about
this well. I think in general I’m quite intimidated by beauty as a topic.
Suffice it to say the esthetician’s office is a clinical site of pure violence,
going there for laser hair removal is like touching Hell, yet I too desire to
get my shit peeled back for the 8-trillion-dollar Helen-of-Troy-face surgery.
CC: The importance of maintaining class
consciousness is apparent within your narrative choices. The book is dedicated
to homeless people, one of the sections is titled “Wearing a Fur Coat to the
Welfare Office,” and various character’s positions within capitalism are
continually addressed. Given the largely queer and trans speakers and
characters, can you expand on the elevated importance of class consciousness to
you within this book’s context?
GA: There was a study some years back in the UK (it
was the British Sociological Foundation one, I think)
which showed that among professional artists, those with working-class
backgrounds had dropped from 16% to 8% in a decade or something. This means 92%
of artists working professionally in the UK had went to Wiggly Cockswallow’s
Finishing School, or whatever. When I open a litmag, it is often a bunch of
elegies about getting micro-agressed by your thesis advisor. I’m empathetic of
course, but as art it’s just awful. I’ve known plenty crackheads, and they have
great stories to tell, and language which tastes like something. We need more
crackheads in the fine arts. For that to happen, Ontario Works needs to give
more than $733 per month.
Of
interest to the book, queer and trans people are of course more likely to face
employment discrimination and live in abject poverty. Queers are also, like the
unwashed masses more broadly, cockroach-esque in our resilience, which I find
beautiful. Equally interesting, however, is how trans women have that
(seemingly-real??) internal petit-bourgeoisie of tech-job girlies—which is
fascinating when you view us economically & culturally as a “diaspora”, and
even juicier when you get into the ways in which surveillance tech fucks over
poor trannies. But those are the girls mutual-aids’ing our tits fatter, too!
Those girls have paid my rent, and my proximity to them is due to my
transsexuality! There’s a Marxist analysis of the puppygirl polycule to be
made, and I don’t think my book does it, but (like the puppygirl herself) it’s
fun to poke around in.
In
the closing long poem, For Herma, I cast the pregnant woman and the
sea-monster in Gustav Klimt’s painting Hope 1 as lesbian lovers. They
are unable to birth their unborn child because they’re literally in a painting,
and thus figures of “the Imaginary”, cut-off by capital-H History, a sort of
blockage of possibility within a world which irritatingly necessitates the
materialist appraisal. The importance of the class analysis, which has been
downgraded by an arts culture steeped in liberal institutions, is not exactly
elevated within the queer context, but rather the queer subject is beautifully
both within and therefore kinda the whole of the proletarian (ultimately,
human!!!) subject. Yet, like the figures in the painting, one dreams of a time
when the working class is not needed to be the driving force of history, when
the fae may take the reigns.
CC: I was delighted by the way you use sound play to
amplify moments of hedonism. For example, in “SIN”:
“under the moon i confuse
you for a fruit
your tinny iridescence
& little pure
caloric value. in the
muck we suck
at the memory of colour,
of the gay
guy who snuck his fuck
into the pool
next door.” (p.51)
I’d
love to hear more about these craft decisions, as well as other form choices
like your use of all caps (like in the quotations in earlier questions, a style
used throughout the book).
GA: In the section you quoted earlier, the ALL-CAPS
SCREEDS work well to delineate text into separate, cycling clauses. They also
allow for a shift of voice within a poem—for example, to introduce a sense of
authority, a sense of nuts-ass hollering, or an intermediate position within
those. My family’s facebook posts aura farm similarly: “CARVED PUMPKINS TODAY
HAHA JAMES DID YOUNG SHELDON! HAPPY HALLOWEEN LOVE YA BIG!!!” One presumes the
semiotic residue of art naif within the tool’s function is self-evident,
darling.
As
far as sound-play in poetry, this year I’ve been falling in love with Joshua
Beckman, who can make any phrase sound delightful. I also listen constantly to
a big variety of rap, so rhyme & assonance is really wedged in my head. I
guess it’s a game of when can I get away with it? I like to laugh in bed. Sex
and drugs are funny and loopy and it’s worth honouring them thusly.
In
the section Shemalaise, there’s some notations in the poems,
right-aligned on the page. Those I stole from parapolitical CIA researcher
& Montreal poet, Peter Dale Scott. He uses them primarily for actual
citation, as many of his poems require it, but they’re lovely little
intrusions, so I adopted them for the
book. His work is one of the most exciting things I’ve read recently.
This
is your last question so I have to come up with other formal total geniusisms I
have so I can keep talking—Dramatic dialogue has been a delightful addition to
play with, I wanna do that more. I probably say internet words too much but I’m
scared, were I not to, that I would be ignoring the world-as-it-is. Uhm…what
else? I spent probably longer than is cool writing this, I’m really
navel-gazing hard here. Thanks for caring. Reader, please let me sleep on your
couch. Please google “cute baby cow”. Please find and read Lilith Latini’s
poems.
Thank
you for this, Conyer, your questions have been so, so thoughtful and kind.
Conyer Clayton [photo credit: Joanna Eldridge
Morrisey] is a queer writer and editor from Louisville, Kentucky living in
Ottawa. A MacDowell Fellow, Tin House Novel Summer Scholar, and author of two
award-winning poetry collections and ten chapbooks, their third full-length
collection of poetry, the lake-shaped excuse, is forthcoming in fall
2026 with Wolsak and Wynn.