In
buckled into the sky, Adele Graf routes our search for home
through ancestors in their own country and family who settled abroad. Yet it's
only after travel that we're drawn to “zigzag back” to our “pillared
front door” —whether that's our current home, our childhood home, our mind's
home or our home in the world. These vivid and tender poems assure us that we
may ignore our “house
with its blue shutters,” but “it will
always be there.” In this interview, we discuss imagery, poetic forms, poetry’s
role in shaping memory, and the meaning of “home”.
1.
Your collection is predominantly focused on family, ancestry, finding and/or
defining home. What does the word ‘home’ mean to you?
Our
family has its own word for baggy old clothes: schlumpfies. A schlumpfy fits
comfortably with all the rips and stains of our history. Home for me is among
people who share an understanding of our words – and also share our
understanding of the world.
At
home, when we change into our stretched-out clothes, or schlumpify, nothing binds or pinches. We schlumpf around the house, minds free to focus on whatever
beckons at the time: tea, email, dinner prep, the next poem.
In
Latvia, my parents, grandparents and their parents didn’t have
our leisure to schlumpify. Yet a
common understanding flows through us all. Behind my own family’s
homegrown word, I hear these ancestors’ Yiddish
voices talking around the table.
2.
Naturally, a book that is focused on family roots relies heavily on memory.
What role does memory play in your writing? And to turn the question around:
what is poetry's role in shaping memory (does it have one?)
Memory
is central in my writing. Even some poems about current experience create their
own future memories. The poem “afterimage”
ends with the lines “before
dusk dissolves all this except / the sea’s
pulse, the sharp salt air.”
I’m drawn
to the whole idea of memory. Poems I wrote after visiting Newfoundland came
from the stories people told me. Stories that cement an outport’s
memories, like the one about the boy who gave his friend “marbles
to drop in the sea, so he could always find her again.”
And
I’ve lived long enough to accumulate layered memories.
Choosing one layer to write about evokes other layers, and connects to other
memories. The love poem “Past
the landing” deepens when I realize my new lover is the age my father was when
he died.
“My mascot,”
I tell myself in the poem “15 fragments,” is a tiny cartoon-style artist on a New
Yorker cover. He keeps painting different views of the same subject, like
my pen that “circles
again / and again to childhood, which arcs / to fit my frame.” Sadly, the woman
who drew that cartoon became ill and now “remembers
only the last few minutes.” She lacks the memories to understand this poem I
wrote about her.
And
yes, I do think poetry shapes memory. Certainly poetry writing, with its slow
focus on word choice or form, solidifies a memory a poem expresses. Details I
remember about my sister’s death are those that felt urgent
to write about while they were raw. I won’t
forget that she breathed for two days after doctors removed her air tube, or
that she died in South Dakota.
And
as a reader or listener of poetry, powerful poems stick in my mind – for their
content, style, emotional punch, or whatever makes them, dare I say, memorable
to me. Like “The
Nomad Flute” W.S. Merwin wrote in his eighties, with its quiet lines about
memory: “I have
with me / all that I do not know / I have lost none of it.”
3.
Many poetic forms appear in buckled into
the sky (sonnet, villanelle, etc.) Can you speak
to this? Was it a deliberate choice to use various poetic forms?
A
deliberate choice, yes. In the right mood, I love the challenge of writing
within the structure of a poetic form. The writing process becomes more
restrained, lots of trial and error, until it clicks. Like fitting puzzle
pieces.
But
now and then a formal poem just seems to write itself, like the palindrome poem
in the first section of the longer poem “tangled
in flourishes.” I’d struggled with that section, so
decided to try it as a palindrome. And there it was, all at once. No idea where
it came from.
And
sometimes a poem suggests its own form. I’m
thinking of the villanelle “Billy,”
about a childhood doll that, for some reason, I can’t get
out of my mind. A villanelle seemed an appropriate way to write about it, since
the lines keep coming back and back, more intense each time they repeat. A fun
way to write about that plastic doll!
4.
What is your favourite poem in the book?
Isn’t that sort of like asking parents
to choose their favourite child? Each is a favourite for who or what it is – how
it was born, the special way it grew, the particular parts of each
writer/parent it embodies.
A
tough choice in a book of almost seventy poems. But I guess I’d
choose the last poem, “Directions
to Suffern NY circa 1950.” This one includes so much of what I enjoy about
writing and what, I hope, readers enjoy about the book.
It’s the
longest poem, so the image in each section has space to resonate, and all the
images have space to coalesce. The poem has room to play with the main themes
of the book. Who wouldn’t want to go back in time to see
their past through present-day eyes?
The
structure is a set of directions, to help us find the seam that joins the past
to the present. Many of the sections riff on childhood objects. A postcard ad
for rooms to rent in the house I was later born into. A ticket stub from a
recent trip to Suffern NY. My Grade 1 eyeglass case. As I write in my study,
these objects surround me.
A
dry-wood smell from my childhood attic rises on the stairs to my current attic
bedroom. And a teenage boy really allowed my daughter and me to wander through
my old house – until his father barked at us to leave!
5.
Are there any specific writers or books that have influenced your work?
Though
buckled into the sky is my second book, early versions of the poems
range back over twenty years. Over that time, many writers and books have
influenced my work, and it’s hard to say what influenced me
when!
But
some writers stand out. Patrick Lane with his everyday subjects that open into
emotional space. Jane Munro with her compression and precise words. Stuart Ross
with his playfulness. W.S. Merwin with his form and his distilled natural
images. And most recently, Kaie Kellough, whose astounding Magnetic Equator I would take to a desert island.
6.
Your poems are so rich in imagery
(From “sweet
life” –
yet up till the end
her spoon scraped
bowls of brown betty
she liked to call
ruth betty
its buttered brown sugar
thick on her tongue
"memory" –
how can my brain remember
to close my lips for the m
lower the tip of my tongue for the s
touch the roof of my mouth for the d
so I can utter the words
my sister died
after my sister’s brain forgot
how to breathe )
How
do you start writing a poem (and what is your process in general)? Is the
sensory aspect the seed of the poem or does that come later?
Almost
always, an image sparks the poem. Some images are visual and actual, like the
horse on the beach in “Crescent.”
Some, like the phalanx in “Armour,”
are fiction about real people or events.
Sometimes
poems come from dreams. In “There,”
a sister who died reappears in my bookcase. Or they come from thoughts that
float: between “drowsy
sense and dreams” as in “Bathwater
reverie.”
And
of course words, like “occasional poem,” also spark poems. Or a phrase, like “the question you never asked me,” that I answer, in “Airtime,” only after my sister died.
When
I sit down to write, I always launch directly into the poem – no journals or
paraphrase. I write on my laptop, for its speed and freedom. I keep all the
changes in a separate folder, so they don’t
clutter the current draft. But I know I can go back to them and that frees me
to try new things.
I
don’t overthink the first draft. As the writer and art
critic Peter Schjeldahl wrote, “When I
finish something and it seems good, I’m dazed. It must have been fun to
write. I wish I’d been there.” But I do revise like
a fiend.
7.
What in your opinion makes a great poem?
When
I finish reading it, my breath seems to catch, though really it slows and
expands.
A
great poem slips through that elusive passage from our workaday world to the
air we all share. Through gaps the writer left in the poem, we’re
invited – maybe even hoisted – into that space.
We’re reminded of something we already
know, but now understand. The writer led us there, but it’s our
own world experience that makes the poem ours.
Adele Graf
grew up outside New York City and immigrated to Canada in 1968. She has worked
as a writer and editor, and taught writing in the public and private sectors in
Halifax and Ottawa. Her first book of poetry, math for couples, was
published by Guernica Editions in 2017 and shortlisted for the Archibald
Lampman Award. Her chapbook, Directions to Suffern NY circa 1950, won
the Tree Reading Series chapbook prize and was published in 2018. Her second
book of poetry, buckled into the sky, was published by Guernica Editions
in 2021. She lives in Ottawa with her spouse.
Anna van Valkenburg is the author of Queen and Carcass (Anvil
Press, A Feed Dog Book... 2020) and the associate publisher at Guernica
Editions. Her poetry and reviews have been featured in The Puritan, Prism
International, december magazine, The Rusty Toque, and
elsewhere. She was born in Konin, Poland, and currently lives in Mississauga.